King Alfred Way, Newton Poppleford – a caveat to watch for

27 Sep

The Development Management Committee issued a caveat when approving the Clinton Devon planning application:

condition 9 being amended to read ‘Prior to the commencement of development a detailed scheme for dealing with surface water from the site shall be submitted for approval. The scheme shall take the form of a SUDS scheme that shall be designed to mimic greenfield run-off levels as discussed in the submitted FRA and to a standard to deal with a 1 in 100 year storm event. Percolation tests to the standards detailed in BRE digest 365 shall be carried out and submitted for approval as part of the scheme. The scheme shall thereafter be carried out in accordance with the approved details prior to first occupation of any of the proposed dwellings.’ 

If I lived near that site I would ensure that this caveat is followed to the letter, as if surface water drainage on this site is not appropriate, heaven help those below the highest dwelling!

14 Responses to “King Alfred Way, Newton Poppleford – a caveat to watch for”

  1. Robin September 28, 2013 at 5:37 am #

    We were knee deep in water two years ago – the land, compacted after many years of cattle grazing, had water running into the road like a torrent. Gardens flooded and I think two houses had water lapping at their door steps…

  2. Geoffova September 28, 2013 at 12:54 pm #

    Three years ago about four skips of rubble and soil was washed from the field and caused a blockage in the road which took the Council THREE days to removed. Huge inconvenience!! Our house had its garden completely filled with top soil and fencing material.

  3. Jo Frith September 28, 2013 at 3:53 pm #

    I have just fought a two-year battle on behalf of the Fortfield Terrace residents to get a slightly less-threatening surface water drainage scheme implemented at Sanditon. the original Planning Permission was based upon a very simple solution of taking everything straight down the road to the sea – desired by the contractor, all neighbours, SWW and EDDC planners and DMC Councillors. The design met all current SUDS legislation.The consulting engineers however, insisted on redesigning the system to have a complicated soakage system in the interests of what? I don’t know. But we don’t think the engineers visited the site once it had been cleared to see what could be done on the ground. We think they were just following the mantra that modern complicated soakage systems are the way to meet modern SUDS legislation. Our architect neighbour picked up that their consulting engineers had designed the SUDS system whilst ignoring the manufacturers’ guidelines and legal party-wall implications (the engineers were a firm called Calcinotto). That was another battle – to get the design modified so that it did not threaten Listed structures in Fortfield Terrace. Then I had to battle with the contractor who was sure he knew how the modern SUDS systems should be implemented, but they didn’t. After I photographed them doing it wrong they had to take it up and correct things. Even now what has been implemented depends on the Sanditon residents’ association or managing agent ensuring that proper maintenance of the system is done to ensure that it does not clog up with silt and overflow. DCC is the SUDS consulting authority at the Planning Approval and Discharge of Conditions stage but I don’t think they have yet got their act together to have any expertise in the matter. South West Water will advise, but only Planners can insist. Almost worst of all is that the EDDC Building Inspectors do not seem to be aware of current legislation with regards to SUDS requirements and responsibilities. In their own words “… we do not normally worry about inspecting or testing surface water drainage schemes.” In the end they did inspect Sanditon at our insistence but on one matter they advised the contractor wrongly and thus created other problems for everyone. If anyone close to the NP scheme wants help, I am happy to share our experience. Jo Frith

  4. Sandra Semple September 28, 2013 at 4:04 pm #

    You only have to see the mess made on the Seaton Tesco site, where fewer houses can now be built because of infill problems (predicted by local residents), to know that not only does EDDC (and come to that DCC) not have any expertise in many areas, they will not consult those who do have it. Or worse, local residents commission the experts who are then either rubbished and found to be correct or totally ignored.

    Sadly, I fear the current pro-developer “build just about anywhere you want” regime that exists because we have no 5-6 year land supply will only make this situation worse.

  5. Mike Setter September 28, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

    There will be huge infill issues here. The site at KAW is an old tip which was excavated to form the area for the current houses. It is unstable, made up land which often erodes. We are aware of residents having their cars washed down the road all the way to the A3052! I saw the remains of an old farm trailer buried in the field exposed and then washed across the footpath.

    • Maz September 29, 2013 at 9:55 am #

      It gets worse – for years the residents of KAW have had to deal with run off, and debris deposited in the road, gardens etc. Last year around 50 beef cattle escaped from the field and rampaged around. At least the houses will only have young people rampaging in future!

      • Karen Wheeler September 29, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

        And the mess from the pigs earlier this year was awful. Smell etc…

  6. Maz September 29, 2013 at 6:49 pm #

    Pigs! Huh. You were lucky! We had the stink from the south west water human waste used as fertilizer earlier this spring!

    • Dan September 29, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

      One of the pigs got out and was stuck in a ditch by the heavily eroded footpath due to the huge amount of water flooding into the road. It took 6 hours before the pig was removed. All the kids in King Alfred Way took photos!! You couldn’t make it up.

  7. Mand34 September 30, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

    Our cat went missing after the last flood in KAW. The Fire service used pumps to get most of the water out of the houses but still a torrent went down the road. It was terrible.

  8. Michele October 1, 2013 at 6:31 pm #

    The footpath has been washed away in places causing a huge gully which channels water into number 9 and 7 KAW. both houses have experienced serious flooding due to the field. maybe the new drainage will help when they build the houses? i am not an expert!

  9. Sandra Semple October 1, 2013 at 8:30 pm #

    i am no lawyer, but might a gully be classed as a structure and trigger party wall requirements?

  10. Becky October 4, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

    I heard that a resident’s outside rabbit hutch was washed away. Bunny and all!

  11. Karen Dwyer October 9, 2013 at 9:05 pm #

    The flash floods last week flooded six properties in KAW. Surely something must be done?

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