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Longboat Cafe, Budleigh Salterton – residents dealt further blow by developer

31 Oct

Journal 31 Oct 2013

EDDC in its usual position: between a rock and a hard place?

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17 Responses to “Longboat Cafe, Budleigh Salterton – residents dealt further blow by developer”

  1. anita jennings October 31, 2013 at 4:31 pm #

    I have followed the 6-year history of the Longboat Saga with interest, and my reaction
    is that Mr Hushon’s appeal is far more likely to be dismissed by the Planning Inspectorate than to be granted. Why did the Editor of the Budleigh (and Exmouth) Journal use the expression “latest blow”? His penultimate paragraph (re putting EDDC into a difficult position) is spot on!

  2. Mand October 31, 2013 at 7:15 pm #

    Lets hope he knocks the ridiculous building down soon – it is an eyesore

    • sidmouthsid October 31, 2013 at 11:48 pm #

      Not many people agree with you, Mand.
      In case you missed it, SIN would like to highlight this comment left by Professor Mark Horton (see What price Britain’s Heritage?post 28 May), with thanks to him:

      ‘The saga of the longboat house is one of monstrous incompetence and willful neglect of our world heritage by various organisations that have been entrusted with the protection of our heritage and environment. Much of the blame lies with English Heritage, who failed to list the building despite an overwhelming intellectual and historical case to do so. This is the last remaining example of this type of building, and on those grounds alone, it should have been protected. The fact it is also in the WHS, and connected to existing Grade 2 buildings strengthens the case. I am afraid that their failure to list is based on crass ignorance of our maritime heritage, and a basic failure of their competence as guardians of our heritage.

      The district council have not come out well either, showing themselves to be supine is a very clear case of an application that both fails to follow their own planning guidance, and WHS management panning, and which would have been clearly thrown out at Public Inquiry.

      Please continue to support this campaign. I would love to feature the longboat house on Coast – its a fabulous story and one that needs telling to the wider world.’

  3. Julia Banks November 1, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    Mark Horton is I am afraid not what he seems. He is a self publicist and will turn to any “campaign” to progress his unworthy agenda

  4. Media Mandy November 1, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    Oh, Julia: you have just given a definition of a politician above! Indeed, a very political comment!

  5. anita jennings November 1, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

    The building is of considerable historical importance, and Mark Horton is extremely well
    qualified to know his onions about such matters. Unless Mand and Julia can provide
    evidence of their own researches into the history of Longboats and of their knowledge of
    surviving examples, I would prefer to believe expert scholars rather than them.
    It is worth remembering what happened to the Longboat building in Budleigh Salterton
    on Monday 5th October 2009. Were you around, Mand and Julia to witness it
    The historically important plaster decorations, pale blue and white, were chiselled off by
    hired workmen, the debris was dumped into a skip, and the skip was moved in the
    afternoon the same day. Fortunately photographs were taken before these original features
    of the building were hacked off. The reason for the hacking was given as repairs to make
    the building waterproof, but not long after, more “waterproofing” was done. So may be the
    “waterproofing” on 5th October was insufficient to keep the building waterproof ?

  6. Pugwash November 1, 2013 at 5:59 pm #

    What possible “unworthy agenda” could Professor Mark Horton have here? And in what sense could his well-argued comments be seen as the product of a “self-publicist”?

    It’s all a conspiracy, there are reds under the bed, knock it down, build it high … Nurse, the screens!

  7. Julia Banks November 1, 2013 at 8:24 pm #

    I am trained and lecture in matters to do with the historic built environment so know my onions also Anita J. We all know about Mark Horton and considered opinion is that “expert scholar” is not a definition which can be justified. The Longboat is of no interest historically as confirmed by experts at English Heritage who prefer to list than not if there is any doubt. With this building there was never any doubt. Original plans for the building show it as a late 19 Century structure of no real historic or architectural merit. As for “plaster decorations” well there were never any originally and were probably added in the mid 20 Century as you might have added artex to your ceiling

  8. Media Mandy November 1, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

    So, let us get this right. One academic disagrees with another … surely it is then up to me to decide which one’s evidence is strongest (as an academic too with qualifications in this area I consider this peer review) and I go with Horton!

    There are places on our British coastline where the kind of development could be appropriate, but Budleigh is not one of them (in my view as an academic, of course).

  9. Paul Hayward November 2, 2013 at 1:32 am #

    The only two people I have noted using the term self-publicist in recent months are Cllr Diviani ( in his now infamous email ) and Julia above…indeed, the intonation and style of the two pieces of correspondence seem….well….similar? Julia, please feel free to call me on my mobile – number shown on Axminster Town Council website – as I would love to chew the fat with you over this, and many other EDDC related matters. Alternatively, pls email me via cllr.hayward@axminstertowncouncil.co.uk if you prefer. I have nothing to hide in my role as councillor: indeed, all my local government washing is done out in the open: as it should always be. I am a servant of the public. I answer to them, one and all.

    • anita jennings November 2, 2013 at 9:16 pm #

      I wholly agree with the last two contributors, and look forward to Julia Banks sending us details of her distinguished academic background. I have looked, but failed to find her on Wikipaedia where Mark Horton’s career details are given — he holds the chair of archeology at the University of Bristol, and has occasionally appeared on TV. Why should his opinion be despised? Julia calls him a publicist, but it looks to me as if she is possibly promoting herself!

      • J Fellowes November 3, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

        Anita is right. The only way to pursue this is to demonstrate that English Heritage got it wrong. They listed some old cottages on the hill but not this important building. Weird.

  10. Sandra Semple November 2, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

    Remember my story of how a pr company attempted to manipulate our blog some years ago! One could imagine SIN is being whipped!

    • anita jennings November 3, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

      Come on, Julia Banks, you need to justify your comments about (a) Professor Mark Horton’s knowledge and competence and (b) about the detailed history of the Longboat in Budleigh Salterton investigated
      by local residents. There are photographs on record of the blue-and-white decorations which were removed by the present owner of the
      Longboat and which were shifted off the site within a single day. I saw
      the pieces of debris in the skip myself. Did you? Please let us share your technical knowledge behind your statement :- As for “plaster decorations” well,there were never any originally and were probably added in the mid-20th Century as you might have added artex to your ceiling”.
      What is your evidence for this? You were pretty quick off the mark in criticising other people’s contributions to this website — so please respond without delay. You owe several of us an apology.

      • J Fellowes November 3, 2013 at 8:38 pm #

        I think you need to accept that not everyone shares similar views about history! It is a fact. The Longboat isn’t the most exciting building but it’s demolition seems a little OTT when with a little thought it might be better utilised or extended. It has a fascinating story to tell which will evaporate once it is rubble. Future generations will not thank us for that. Julia Banks and Mark Horton are simply two extremes and somehow we need to find some middle ground.

  11. anita jennings November 4, 2013 at 10:13 am #

    re J.Fellowe’s comment :- I believe most sensible people would back scholarship in preference to ignorance.

    The Judicial Review is now fast approaching (8/11/13) and we should all know what happened in the High Court in London within a very few days.

    The most surprising part of the whole Longboat saga is the Appeal to the Planning Inspectorate, lodged by Mr Hushon so short a time before the Judicial Review.

    If Julia Banks does not live in B.Salterton, she may not have seen the report on the front
    page of our local “Budleigh Journal” edition of the Exmouth Journal. She has not told us
    where she lives.

  12. Rob Humphrey November 5, 2013 at 10:06 pm #

    I had a crab sandwich at the cafe earlier in the year with Anita’s friend. it was very nice. We want to eat his food but not at a modern building made of glass and steel.

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